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GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby andyaction on Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:09 am

I was diagnosed with BPH, I did not want to go through the surgical procedures that would "deal" with the enlargement (but not the cause). Surgical procedures would leave residual problems which in effects would in my mind, be the beginning of the end. So checking the Internet I came accross the GAT GOREN procedure.

This was developed in Israel: Drs GAT and Goren. Yigal Gat, MSc, MD, PhD, is Head of Andrology & Interventional Radiology at the Maayanei Hayeshua Medical Center in Bnei Brak, Israel, and a research consultant in Condensed Matter Physics, Sub-Micron Research, Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel. Goren is a B.A. cum laude in Biology at Harvard University and with medical degree from Temple University in Philadelphia, Dr. Goren did specialty training in Diagnostic Radiology and neuroradiology at Washington University. At the Rabin Medical Center in Petach Tikva, Israel, he served as a senior interventional radiologists until 2006. During that period, he spent time at the University Hospital of Ghent, Belgium, where he was introduced to the transvenous approach to varicocele treatment initially developed by Prof. M. Kunnen. In 1999, with Dr. Gat, he co-developed a non-surgical method to treat failure of the venous drainage of the reproductive system. Dr. Goren is presently an interventional radiologist subspecializing in the male pelvis in Maayanei Hayeshua Medical center in Bnei Brak, Israel.

Their research group has been working together for several years and via physical understanding have come to the conclusion that prostatic enlargement is actually a secondary symptom of a hitherto disregarded clinical problem—varicocele – namely, malfunction of varicocele, which in turn is the result of a malfunction of one-way valves in the testicular venous drainage system, a phenomenon that exists only in humans. It results in abnormally high levels of free testosterone in the prostate and is simply treated by super-selective venography and sclerotherapy of the network of impaired testicular venous system, thereby eliminating the flow of free testosterone from the testes to the prostate. The procedure is painless and quick (takes an hour or two ) and you can walk out of the treatment room afterwards.

I went to Israel last week to undergo the procedure and in just the week following I have noticed significant improvement in my flow and the need to frequently urinate. Obvioulsy this is early days but the signs are encouraging. Time will tell!!!

The procdeure has however helped over 2000 men with fertility problems and as far as I know some 200 men with BPH. The UK NHS don't appear interested and neither do prostate organisations supporting sufferers as it hasn't undergone clinical trials. Wait for them and those reading this will probably be dead by the time it becomes accepted (Incidentally, although only on a small number (6) - some men suffering from PCa were treated and six months later a biopsy confirmed the cancer had gone)!

So, this treatment looks like it has great potential.. why is it not being investigated by complacent experts in the UK - could it be they are happy to support drug and equipment makers who are major sponsors in the health sector ?

I believe an 85% success rate overall is worth investigative calls to these Doctors who are not cowboys - they are educated specialists who are convinced they have found the real cause of prostate enlargement. They have a website, but it tends to major on fertility - so go through that and you can get the science on the procedure.
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby andyaction on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:04 pm

Right, it's six months since I underwent the Gat goren prodecure. My life has positively changed and blood tests recently undertaken confirm a substantial improvement and shrinkage of the prostate. I am now no longer taking Finaseride / diffundox and my stream is much improved and continuous - although I do still need to double void. Night time visits are reduced or not at all - depending on how much I drank before going to bed or how tired I was. Frequency during the day are similar to when I was a much younger and I'm no longer desperate to get to the loo every half hour. however, when I want to go I must go. I'm happy to live the rest of my life as I am. i'm still expecting some further improvement though.

Was it worth having the Gat / goren over green light/ turp.. the answer is YES.... if you have the money, have prostate enlargement, then get in touch with Gat/ goren.
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby andyaction on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:42 pm

10 months down the line, everything great, frequency normal, night time visits just about done away with,
flow mediocre .. still of the opinion that it was worth every penny. Other who are in contact with me also state improvements...
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby reeviint on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:29 am

I believe an 85% success rate overall is worth investigative calls to these Doctors who are not cowboys - they are educated specialists who are convinced they have found the real cause of prostate enlargement.
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby thebowman on Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:52 pm

I was very interested in the posts by andyaction on this subject, particularly as surgery may well be necessary for me - something I wish to avoid.

Nearly 18 months down the line how are things with you andyaction? Also, can you give me an idea of the cost of the treatment?

Many thanks.
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby sculptor on Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Thanks to andyaction for all the messages about the Gat Goren procedure. It is certainly reassuring to hear of your ongoing improvement , as I am considering this myself - I really don't like the sound of any of the conventional options for BPH! I have been in touch with the clinic in Israel, and have received some straightforward and completely plausible answers to my questions concerning success rate (85%) and any possible negative consequences of the procedure. It seems that success is determined by age, how longstanding the BPH is, size of the prostate, elasticity of the tissue etc.. As for possible negative consequences, the varicocele condition that is the root cause of the problem can occur again in other veins - thus leading to more BPH - but this takes some time to develop.

The current cost of the procedure is €17,000, and the clinic requires 4-5 weeks notice. One should also plan for a week's stay in Tel Aviv.

If this really does work - which it seems it does - it seems almost criminal that it is not available in the UK on the NHS. I suppose it will be down to 'pioneers' like andyaction and others spending a lot of money to perhaps pave the way for this.
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Re: GAT GOREN PROCEDURE FOR BPH

Postby sculptor on Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:05 pm

The Gat Goren clinic has recently shifted its base of operations to the American Medical Centre in Nicosia, Cyprus - hence (so I have been informed) the current high price for the procedure.
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